the man mistakenly sent to el salvador from maryland tonight, back in the united states, just appearing in court, where he is now facing criminal charges, charges that led one federal prosecutor to resign in just the past hour. also breaking president trump, just speaking about his very public breakup with elon musk. did he misjudge the richest man in the world making a mistake? and the ufo files will take you to the largest gathering of so-called ufo ologists. they have a message for trump when it comes to america's secret files. let's go out front. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. we begin outfront tonight with the breaking news. the man from maryland, the father of three mistakenly sent to that notorious prison in el salvador, is tonight back in the united states. kilmar abrego garcia just appearing in a tennessee court to face charges. the department of justice bringing him back to the u.s. to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants.

>> the grand jury found that over the past nine years, abrego garcia has played a significant role in an alien smuggling ring. >> now, of course, it took them months to bring him back. attorney general pam bondi went on to make another number of other accusations, including claims that abrego garcia had a role in a murder. but according to the indictment, which i'm going to hold up here, right, we're talking about a role in a murder. they actually also, at another point, talk about child pornography. but in the indictment, there are no charges related to those things. none at all. there are only two charges. the conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain and the unlawful transportation of illegal of of illegal aliens for financial gain. so it's both things conspiracy and the transport itself. two charges, very serious ones that could result in at least ten years in prison. for each one, they can prove. but again, these other things mentioned are not charged.

they're incredibly serious. they should be charged if they have evidence. bondi making it clear he will be deported back to el salvador no matter what. once his sentence is over. they're saying if he's convicted, but the timing certainly raises the question of whether this is simply an off ramp for the administration, a way to bring abrego garcia back without being seen as caving to what the courts have already told them to do. moments ago, on air force one, trump praised bondi for bringing abrego garcia back. >> he should have been returned. he should have never. he should have never had to be returned. but if you take. >> a look. >> at what's happened with him, you take a look at what they found in the murray and everywhere else. i thought pam bondi did a great job today. >> now, according to sources, the doj's decision to pursue the indictment against abrego garcia caused a disagreement between prosecutors in tennessee, a high ranking federal prosecutor even resigning, which is obviously very crucial when you talk about all these things that are put in here but not charged, what's actually going on here? remember, everybody from trump

on down in the administration made it very clear that, well, they weren't defying the rule of law in a court order because they were not able to bring garcia home. the supreme court had ordered trump officials to facilitate his return, and they just didn't do it, trump told time. i haven't asked el salvador's president positively, but he said he wouldn't. and of course, we heard this from the administration. >> that's up to el salvador. if they want to return him, that's not up to us. >> el salvador would. >> have to agree to release him. it doesn't sound like they're going to. >> that would be kidnaping. >> that we have to kidnap. >> and el salvadorian citizen against the. will of his government and flying back to america, which would be an unimaginable act and an invasion of el salvador sovereignty. >> but when salvador's president was asked about abrego garcia in the oval office, he said this. >> do you plan. >> to return him? >> well, i. i'm not suggesting that i smuggle terrorism to the

united states, right. it's always, how can i smuggle? how can i return him to the united states? like i smuggle him into the united states? or what do i do? of course i'm not going to do it. >> well, now, bus tweeting tonight if they request the return of a gang member to fact charges. of course, we wouldn't refuse. well, that means that a lot of people were not telling the truth. and a lot of different instances. but now that abrego garcia is back, right? there's also the crucial question of whether the doj charges that we are looking at now, and accusations will hold up in court. and evan perez is outfront live in washington. so, evan, you were there in the press conference with attorney general bondi today. so what what are you learning about the charges, how they came to what is a charge and what isn't, and why now? why now? suddenly they bring him home. and they said for months they couldn't. >> yeah. aaron. so i asked the question to the attorney general, what changed? what has happened in the intervening period to be able to bring us to this point? and one of the things she said was that new

facts have emerged. and so what we know is this is that this all goes back to that 2022 traffic stop in tennessee. state police pulled him over. they contacted the homeland security department, which declined to take custody of him at the time. and what what we what we've been told is that there was an ongoing investigation in that period. it has been not exactly active. it's been kind of dormant, but it was never closed. and that in recent months or in recent weeks, as this case has gotten so much publicity for the for the reasons you're mentioning with, with the, with the court fight that a witness, someone who is an associate of abrego garcia, reached out to the justice department and provided some information and offered to provide additional information that could be helpful in this case. and so that is what has made this case possible. now, as you pointed out, it's not clear. you know, obviously, what else is there to, to to to support

the evidence of this, of this case. we're going to find out when it goes to trial. but we know that in tennessee, in the nashville u.s. attorney's office, that there was some disagreement over this case. now, we know that ben schrader, who is the chief of the criminal section there, he resigned, and he posted this on, on on linkedin. he said after 15 years, he had resigned that day. and this happened the week, by the way, that these charges were brought in in the federal court there. he said it has been an incredible privilege to serve as a prosecutor with the department of justice, where the only job description i've ever known is to do the right thing in the right way, for the right reasons. now, i reached out to to mr. schrader. he declined to comment. but i will tell you that the you know, i talked to an official who said, look, this is an immigration is a priority for this administration. and if you don't want to do that, then you don't have to stay. >> all right, evan, thank you very much. but obviously, the resignation of the chief of the criminal section in tennessee after 15 years coming at this

very moment is significant. and obviously, we don't yet know the details as to why or why such a thing would have happened. simon sandoval is with me now. the attorney for kilmar abrego garcia. so, simon, all of a sudden he was on a plane. he came back to tennessee to face those charges today. and the charges that we see, i'm just looking at the indictment. there are two of them. there are two formal charges, right. conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain and unlawful transportation of illegal aliens for financial gain, two different counts. they sound the same to a layperson, but they are two different ones. what is your response to these? >> yeah. >> it's quite clear. >> from the face of the indictment that almost all of the information they have comes from two supposed coconspirators, both of whom have already been federally prosecuted and who are likely sitting in a federal prison somewhere. so the very first question i'm going to be asking is, what were those two people offered to to make up these really fantastic. you know, hyperbolic allegations against

mr. abrego garcia? >> all right. so in terms of tennessee, you know, we've got the, you know, the video that the government points to the 2022 traffic stop, which was in tennessee, where abrego garcia, you know, they say they say that there were several men inside his suv and he was transporting people from texas to maryland. so across state lines, do you know the full details about this incident that is now at the core of this? because that's why this is all being charged in tennessee. >> right? so, you know, mr. abrego garcia had been held completely incommunicado for three months in el salvador. that's one of the major human rights violations is that he was denied attorney visits. we had an attorney go down there three times to try to visit him. he was denied attorney phone calls. so now that he's back on u.s. soil, i'm going to have the opportunity to visit him hopefully as soon as this weekend. his wife is going to have the opportunity to visit him. so it's really mixed emotions for her because on the one hand, she's going to have the opportunity to see him and speak with him that she's been waiting for for so many months. but on the other hand, it's going to be inside of a tennessee jail, at least for

now. >> so when he was on the plane today, coming back right, there had been all these times they said they couldn't bring him back. they weren't defying a court order. they couldn't bring him back. then all of a sudden they did today. did you even know he was coming? and do you know why they're doing it now? >> we learned about it on tv just like the rest of the country. what's clear? this just makes crystal clear what we've been saying, frankly, for the past two months is that they've been playing games with the court. two months ago, the supreme court ordered that they facilitate his release from custody in el salvador, that they facilitate his return to the united states, and that the case be handled in the same way it would have been handled if he'd never been improperly sent to el salvador. that is clearly not what happened today. >> so i just want to ask you, because this is also confusing. there are two things today, right? there's the motion for detention, and then there's the actual indictment in the indictment. as i mentioned, there are two counts. they are about transporting aliens. that's what they are about. yet in there, simon, they talk about specifically, i was just thumbing through they talk about that he was transporting

firearms illegally purchased in texas. they don't charge for that. they talk about narcotics purchased in texas being transported. they don't charge for that. and the motion for detention, they go so far as to on page ten, simon say the government also learned that the defendant solicited nude photographs and videos of a minor beginning in approximately 2020, the government's investigation into the defendant's solicitation of child pornography is ongoing, and no charges against the defendant defendant regarding child pornography have been filed, but it demonstrates the danger the defendant poses to the community, not just with respect to alien smuggling. have you seen something like this where they would put a whole bunch of things? i mean, that's a really serious thing you're alleging putting the words child pornography in here and you're not charging someone for it. >> yeah. it just goes to show that they've been more interested in in dragging his name through the mud than in actually sort of going through with proper court proceedings, just like it's been since day one. i mean, look, mr. abrego garcia did not ask to become the

center of, you know, this national commotion around his case, right? he he was just driving his son home from daycare when he got pulled over. and then, you know, within a weekend, he was accidentally sent to el salvador. the government made a mistake. they could have quickly and quietly fixed the mistake. none of us, none of y'all would have ever heard his name right. but instead, they chose to make this into a national cause. celeb drag his name through the mud. and frankly, if they can do that to him, they can do that to any one of us. >> all right, simon, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. i know you have a lot more to share as you get more information here over this next day or two. so thank you so much. and ryan goodman is with me now out front. legal analyst so can we just start where i just finished with simon. they put in all these things you know, illegal guns and narcotics, and they mentioned this. this. they use the words child pornography, and they say that shows the danger that the defendant poses to the community, even though they say they don't they don't have any charges on it because they

don't they don't have it yet. have you is that normal to put things like this in these kinds of filings? motion for detention and indictment. when you don't charge them. >> it's abnormal. >> and then just to add one more piece of it, the attorney general of the united states of america today, in their public statement, also said that abrego garcia, according to one of the coconspirators, was involved in the murder of another gang member's mother. that's nowhere in the indictment not even alleged in the indictment, let alone charged. so that kind of public disparagement of defendant is highly unusual, especially since it's not charged conduct or even mentioned as conduct in the indictment. so that seems to me to be an indication that it's running a public messaging campaign. it's not about right. >> because let's be clear, the murder and the child pornography are both in the motion for detention. yes. neither one of them are mentioned in the indictment. not at all. not not only not charged, not mentioned. >> not mentioned. >> okay. so when you take all of this together and the fact that they're suddenly bringing him back now when they said they couldn't and said he wouldn't,

but then he said, oh, i will whenever you want me to. and they said, you know, that that whole game of words that has been being played, why is this happening now? >> it's difficult to know why it's happening now. i do think it does strongly indicate that they could have always done this. and in fact, president berkley's words were i'm not going to smuggle someone in. in other words, i'm not going to send somebody that you don't want to have in the united states. so if the united states says to his government we want him back, then he would say, we'll give him back. and also, the vice president of el salvador said the same thing to senator van hollen, that the ball is in your court. if we are told that you want these people back, we'll give you them. they were speaking specifically about abrego garcia. but he said in other cases, to. >> evade reporting that the chief of the criminal section in tennessee resigned. we're finding this out today after 15 years. yeah. does. and i know you don't necessarily know this individual. right. but that happening right now as this is happening, what what could that mean? >> so for me, i didn't want to

jump to any conclusions. i want to see what the evidence is in the case with respect to criminal charges. but when that news came out, it's a very significant indication that something bad is happening here. if we're concerned about weaponization of the justice department, you do not have a 15 year veteran who's the chief of the criminal division resign. and abc news reports that he's resigned, apparently because he thinks that this case was brought for political reasons. >> right. so in other words, he doesn't think all this adds up. >> that's right. and he would be the person to know. >> he would be the person to know. all right. well, ryan, thank you very much. all very sobering. and next, trump says he wants to make a deal. a key member of his administration is about to meet face to face with chinese officials in the next few hours. but how do the chinese view trump's inner circle? fareed zakaria is next. plus, ukraine bracing for another round of strikes from putin after the shocking drone assault on those russian air bases. and tonight we have a special cnn investigation into how ukraine is actually pulling off these frankly groundbreaking

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may even understand markets, but they don't understand economics. economics comprises the entire economy. and if they don't understand, for example, that the reason we have a trade deficit with a place like madagascar is because madagascar sells us a few products like vanilla, and we buy that from them because we're rich country. we can buy anything from anyone but madagascar. people are very, very poor. they can't buy iphones. they can't buy, you know, the kind of things america makes. so there's going to be a trade deficit. it's more a sign of our wealth than that. somebody is dripping us. and you know, if howard lutnick doesn't understand that, he might be, you know, a smart businessman, but honestly, he just doesn't understand economics. >> yeah, well, and bananas obviously fit into that category, as you point out, so perfectly. you know, trump's trade adviser, peter navarro, as you know, is credited with a lot of the, the china tariffs and

what supports them in terms of the trump worldview. okay. and peter navarro said something today that does not add up in an interview. let me just play it for you. fareed. >> we will have deals. it takes time. >> usually it takes months. >> and years in this administration. it's going to take more like days. >> liberation day was april 2nd, and that was, of course, 66 days ago. and this whole idea of sort of deals are done or done in days. i mean, you know, we've heard this again and again, april 25th, trump tells time magazine, i've made all the deals. and then on may 1st, there was this from kevin hassett. >> i'm sure there'll be news by the end of the day. >> that was 37 days ago. i'm just curious, fareed, in this context, we keep hearing this again and again. do other world leaders, when it comes to tariffs here right now, take trump's word seriously. >> not really. i mean, they take

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are the repercussions of it. why do you think so many, almost all frankly. right, have chosen silence. >> well, i think it's it's shameful, frankly. it's a culture of silence and cowardice. they're all looking for, you know, very specifically at their companies and their bottom line. they're they're miscalculating. by the way, trump can't do a lot of the things he threatens them with. he cannot tariff an individual company as he threatened mattel and apple if they were to collect together the business roundtable, the chambers of commerce and forcefully present the view that they believe in that tariffs are taxes, that for every steel job you preserve with a steel tariff, you endanger 75 jobs because there are 75 industries that use steel like cars and construction. that's how the american economy works. they've railed against uncertainty. well, you now have a tsunami of uncertainty.

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scenes from kyiv where explosions lit up the sky. this is one of the largest attacks of the war so far. the strikes, it seems a part of the response to ukraine taking out so many of russia's strategic bombers. they say 41 of putin's bombers destroyed, all carried out by drones, a weapon that ukraine, of course, has used to completely redefine warfare itself. katie polglase is out front with a cnn investigation into exactly how they're doing it right now. >> this attack. >> more than 18 months in the making, is a sign of how ukraine has changed the face of modern warfare. damaging air bases deep within russian territory. a cnn analysis of thousands of drone strikes on russia over the past three years, along with video and an exclusive interview. >> we can coordinate. >> our drones in moscow. >> moscow. >> etc.. >> sheds light on how ukraine's drone program has rapidly expanded since the start of the war. in the first months, you

can see the attacks are mainly along the border area, but by the end of the year they start hitting key military targets like this blast shown on surveillance footage at a fuel depot at engels air base in december 2022. five months later, and the missions become more ambitious, this bold drone attack in may 2023 even damaged the roof of the kremlin, the heart of the russian government and over 400 miles from kyiv. drones are now frequently flying over moscow, bringing the terror of war home to the russian people. at the same time, ukraine is maintaining pressure on russia's war supplies wherever they are stored. in late summer of 2023, they target pskov air base in northern russia, beyond moscow, in satellite imagery taken shortly after, you can see the damaged planes. by 2024, the number of drones getting sent into russia is soaring. in june alone, over

a thousand launched, according to cnn analysis, ukraine's muscle comes from a coordinated national effort to make combat drones ready to be sent into russia. we spoke exclusively to one of these manufacturers who told us how the war kickstarted ukraine's national drone unit. >> now we i think. ukraine is leader in this area. in our world. >> which drones were used last weekend is still a tight lipped secret, but experts say his drones are identical to those seen in images of the attack and were most likely the ones used. >> we can produce very good drones for special. missions. and we will protect our country from russian aggression. >> he shares some extraordinary insights into how it was possible for ukraine to target so deep into russia. hitting an airbase 2500 miles away. is it

possible to remote control that drone from ukraine while the drone was in belaya air base, for example? >> no problem. we can coordinate our drones in, in, in, in moscow, moscow, et cetera. we need to link. across satellite, across. mobile towers, or maybe. >> our pilot. >> will stay near kremlin. >> and the success of the program is apparent by the damage left behind. multiple air bases hit some in russia's far east. ukraine claims it inflicted $7 billion worth of damage on russian weaponry, though that number has not been verified. even so, the details of this stealthy operation are extraordinary. drones smuggled in on wooden crates then driven across russia in containers,

catching locals by surprise as drones flew out of trucks to launch the assaults. russia now faces an even steeper challenge to its long held dominance of the skies. katie polglase cnn, london. >> all right. and joining me now is seth jones, national security expert and president of the center for strategic and international studies. so, seth, you have just returned from reviewing frontline drone footage. you've done that with top military leadership from ukraine. so so you've seen things that none of us have actually seen. what stands out to you from that? from what you saw, from what you heard about what really happened on those air bases? >> well, aaron, what what is really stunning. >> is how. >> the ukrainians used. the russian logistics system, including their mobile network. to first to smuggle drones into russia itself and then to use the mobile system and the satellite. system from russian territory as. they conducted

strikes. >> so. >> i mean, it's not just getting that. >> that. >> that those platforms into russian territory, but it's also taking advantage of what was available in russia to strike targets. i mean, it really shows how vulnerable countries can be if those kinds of drones are smuggled inside of those countries. obviously, more than just russia. >> right. well, and that in that sense, a very sobering thing you just said there. so when you're with that top military leadership, though, and, you know, we had those big attacks overnight, some of the biggest since the war began in kyiv. is that it? i mean, what do they think putin is going to do? i mean, trump made it very clear that putin was going to do something big, and that cease fire is off, and which it was never really on. but but you get the point. what does ukraine think is going to happen? >> well, aaron, i think there are a few things. one is the ukrainian leadership. and i talked to the head of the office of the president while he was in washington this week. they they

do expect the russians to conduct a range of cruise missile, ballistic missile and drone strikes against cities including kyiv in large numbers. that's the way the russians respond. i don't think they expect to see any kind of a nuclear response. although putin routinely threatens those. but i think at the end of the day, the problem that the russians have is they they are not effectively conducting military operations. they're dying in really historic numbers, at least since world war ii. and so i think that's what that's the ukrainian response is to keep fighting them on the ground. and that's where the russians really are at their biggest weakness. >> okay. so on that, you know, we haven't heard that sort of an argument in a while. in fact, what we've heard is that in a war of attrition, russia will win because they have more men. and it's just that simple. and that it boils down to numbers, and the numbers are horrible, but they don't favor ukraine. so the longer this continues, the more it favors russia. right. that has become the narrative right out there. but you've got new reporting and that, and you're talking about struggles

on the front line for putin's forces to advance. you've got numbers on the equipment that they've lost a lot more equipment than ukraine, that the casualty numbers now approach a million for russia. in fact, you gave us a chart that shows the daily average of casualties since the war began. and it all challenges the narrative that putin can just continue and afford to go on indefinitely. you know, when you went through and looked at all these numbers right now, which do challenge the current narrative, what surprised you the most? >> erin, there were two things that surprised me and the and one of them was, was one of the numbers that the president himself remarked out of our report in the oval office yesterday. one was just the sheer casualties that the russians have suffered. nearly a million. they'll hit the million mark by june or july. and and also in a historical perspective, the the russians have lost now more than five

times the number of soldiers than in all russian wars combined between the end of world war two and the beginning of their full scale invasion in february 2022. i mean, 77 year period versus a three year period, a little over three year period. still five times the number that they've lost over the last three years. i mean, it's just stunning in its in its significance. and also the other thing that was that was interesting in what we found was how little territory and how slow the advance of the russians has been slower than some of the most grinding and grisly offensive during world war i. >> wow. and, you know, when we hear about those and just the the sheer death and suffering in that war, trench warfare, where of course, it's trench warfare here again. seth, thank you so much. >> thanks, erin. >> and next trump is just

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musk and in fact is asking aides and advisers about musk's recent behavior and whether it could be related to his alleged drug use drug use, which the new york times reported last week went well beyond occasional use, so much so that they report that musk had bladder problems and they say that this was happening. as musk rose to prominence in trump's inner circle, including musk allegedly telling people that the ketamine amount that he was the ketamine was what was affecting his bladder. they even had a photo of the pills in the new york times story, musk did admit in march of last year that he took ketamine. he said at the time, though, it was occasionally, and it was with a prescription. and after the report, denied taking any drugs. that's after the new york times report. kara swisher is out front. host of on and pivot podcast and obviously has covered musk extensively for years. so kara, you know, trump is is out there. he is thinking about musk. but in a very specific way. right. talking about his alleged drug use and and stirring the pot on all of that. what what does that mean for musk? if trump's going to go out there and and he's going

to go there. >> well, he didn't precisely go there. his aides went there off the record. you know, sources close to president trump said, yeah, which is obviously him. who knows who it is. but he said yesterday, i said the next thing he's going to do is focus in on the drugs, and they're doing everything to sort of warn musk. you know, you better keep it quiet or else we have things we could do. but the problem is this is a guy who doesn't care. obviously that much. now, he certainly has a lot of government contracts and other things that he has to pay attention to, especially shareholders. but he is not someone that is easily you know, scared. i think we'll see. i mean, he may think it's smart to stop fighting with donald trump. it probably is a good idea for donald trump to stop fighting with elon musk, too, because no one's going to win in this particular fight. >> so, you know, yesterday when musk was was defcon, he he went there on his on his, you know, the kind of, you know, trump goes to musk, goes there on epstein and he says that trump

is in the epstein files. he calls it a bomb. and i guess the question is he said, you know, save this post, right. will he follow through on this claim? i mean, do you think he'll do anything more with it? do you think he has more attacks that rise to that level? >> he could. he could. he often uses the pedophile kind of thing. he he's done that a number of times. it's one everyone has their go tos and donald trump's has his. and you know, people are saying, i have heard this stuff. so, you know, i don't know if he will i don't know if he has those. i mean, certainly it's been reported, you know, they had a relationship for a long time before they had a falling out. so perhaps there are files he has. he's the world's richest man. he certainly can buy them if they exist. and the question is will he use them or anything else? or somehow they get leaked or anything like that? it's just the whole thing is ridiculous. i mean, it's not good for either of them, especially when the president's trying to pass a bill that elon is against. but it's all it's all circus at this point.

>> well, right. it's obviously well, it's not good for the country. and it's not good that the your contracts with the government could come down to whether one person likes you or not. i mean, it's really against everything that it should be. but, you know, i guess this brings me to kara, what we've seen. so we talk about, you know, all those tech ceos that that came to the inauguration. right? and they were all there, and there were ones there who cannot stand trump. and i'm not going to pick out which ones here. but they were all there. mark zuckerberg was there, jeff bezos was there. tim cook was there. ceo of google was there. they were all there. he goes to saudi arabia and them and a whole lot of others are there. and it's sort of, you know, one at a time, gets to walk up and kind of, you know, bow and yeah, you know, this is what it takes. so when they watch this and you know, all of them, you cover all of them, do they see this and say, oh, now it's my opportunity to jump in and fill the musk void. do they do they get more scared of trump? do they do any of them think. actually, no, i'll speak up. i mean, what's the ripple effect of this? >> you know, most of them are aren't like elon musk. elon musk takes risks compared to

other people, good and bad. right? he's this is what he's known for. and it's in fact true whether it's rockets or stuff, he says on twitter. you know, these people are pretty craven and they are interested in shareholder value, and they want to get in on the a.i. stuff. so they'll do what it takes to kiss up to trump. at the same time, you're not going to see him sleeping in the lincoln bedroom or hanging out at the white house, or wearing hats or jumping up and down. that's not what they're going to do, but they'll certainly be as obsequious as they need to until they don't. and then donald trump will have a whole new experience with these tech ceos. when they don't need him, he'll be they will care about him at all. so we'll see. i mean, obviously they're not going to try to become his best friend or be his, i don't know, the first, first buddy or whatever the heck that was. >> i don't know what it was the first joint interview there. >> i don't know what it is. it feels like a dream. it's a dream. it's a simulation. i don't know. >> all right. it's good to see you. and thanks so much. thank you. kara swisher. and next we'll take you to a convention for ufo enthusiasts. and they are all banking on trump to do

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more on why they think that trump may finally deliver. >> greetings. do you all come in peace? we're all fellow earthlings. >> here. >> we're out here because we're looking for ufos. we're also looking for what is not a ufo. >> i just put it right over it. >> and then. >> oh, see. >> that one? that was a bird, i think. oh, i. >> knew i was going to be an astronomer when i was nine years old. okay. i actually had a missing time event. i lost a whole day, and it put me in the hospital, and i thought, boy, this universe is something crazy up there. i have to i have to keep looking up. >> we are here in the california desert on our way to contact in the desert. the biggest gathering of ufologists in the world. here we are, light years

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secrets. it's a promise. jeremy corbell has dedicated his life to helping fulfill. you are responsible for bringing people to congress to testify on this something now that people are taking seriously. >> you're going to blame me for that? i'm going. >> to blame you. look. >> yeah, it was ingrained in our kind of, society that this is not something to be taken seriously. i'd say the interest is now surging a little bit, because people that are serious can come forward and seriously talk about it. >> say some of the most optimistic people we've spoken to here this week have said they think trump is going to come out and oval office address and say, here it is. >> so i just i don't feel the same way. i haven't seen evidence that the new administration, new bush administration is actually going to make good on that promise. >> for many here, what are trump's government discloses? what it really knows is of lesser importance. the truth is

coming anyway. >> so the public's awareness on all fronts is just growing, growing, growing. but the internet sealed its fate. >> that's the world. >> we live in. you want to put out a piece of disinformation. >> by the government? fine. the internet will shred it in a day. if you told someone. this 20 years. >> ago. >> how do you think they would. have reacted? >> they say you're crazy. >> thank you. that's why. >> so what's changed? >> this community. >> community? >> yep. >> our community. this community. that's what changed. people waking up and going. we need to talk about this. >> i'm like. >> yes. >> we do. we need to talk about it a lot because it's coming whether we are ready or not. >> so donie o'sullivan cnn, planet earth. >> thanks for joining us. the source starts now.